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my mom solves unemployment Wednesday, February 15, 2012

I visited with my mom this evening; brought her dinner, some of my home-made Rice Pilaf with Spinach and Toasted Pine Nuts. She thought it was a little "flat" even though it's got red pepper flakes, but whatever.

We were talking old people talk: Talk about her remaining friends' medical issues and I told her about a co-worker I had lunch with today (she's an intern, I haven't written about her before) whose 75-year-old dad recently had a stroke and who is going in for another MRI here in a week or so because they're not sure if he has a brain tumor or just residual swelling from the stroke. Yeah.

So we got to talking about whether or not we'd want to have brain surgery at that age and go through chemotherapy and radiation (I don't even think they would do that for brain cancer, but what do I know?). We talked about a friend of hers who'd died in her late 60's after she'd battled breast cancer for about 10 years and how she struggled to stay alive for her daughter and her grandchildren.

Which led us to the topic of the age at which women have children. I told her about my co-worker who just turned 60 and can't/won't retire because she's trying to set up a profit-making farm venture for her two children in the hills above where we live on land that's not really suited for farming.

And I said that it was sad that at the age where my co-worker should be thinking about winding down and finding some enjoyment out of her retirement she is instead working herself hard for her "children" (the youngest is 18) instead of them going out on their own because she waited until she was 40 to start her family. And that probably if she died tomorrow, the "farm" would fall apart without her income and they'd probably sell the property and all move away and it would have been a big friggin' waste, etc.

And I said that was one of the reasons I didn't sign up on online dating sites, because so many men my age still have teenagers and/or young children they're still raising because they waited so long to have children, and I have no desire to date someone with children for which he was still responsible.

And it was then that it popped out of her mouth.

"It was so much nicer back in our day. The men went out and worked, and the women stayed at home and did their work. It was a lot easier. The women had their work and took care of the kids."

I had no idea what this had to do with me not wanting to date divorced or widowed men with children, and said so.

"The women took all the jobs from the men. If so many women weren't working, there'd be more jobs for men."

I agreed that yes, it might have been "nicer" back in the day, as long as the woman had a good marriage and didn't have a husband who beat her or who drank or spent all their money on other women or gambling and reminded her about her two uncles back in Germany who'd each had other women on the side and made her aunts' lives miserable. I reminded her of her best friend who'd been married to such a drunk that when he took care of their kids, he'd taken them to the neighborhood bar with him!

"Well, it would never work anyway," she said, clearly not wanting to talk about it anymore.

So there you have it, out of the mouth of my 81-year-old mother: Women, quit your jobs so men can have them, marry some guy, just any guy with a job who will support you so you can stay home and do "your work" and you will have it easier and this will solve the country's unemployment problem.

My mom could run for president on this platform!

Oh wait, she was born in Germany, she can't constitutionally run for president.

So anyone out there in OD land who wants to run for president and win, here's your platform on unemployment! Take it and run with it! It's a winner for 2012! Problem solved!




A lot of these Republicans would probably love to vote for a strong German hardliner if they could... [littlefallsmets] 2/15/2012 11:33:38 PM
It's a mindset. Hard to change that in older people. Were your mom's parents German? [Linda Kay] 2/15/2012 11:53:05 PM
well, i already did that. so out there, somewhere, a man owes me a great big thanks! i sure hope he's liking his receptionist position... [tember] 2/16/2012 12:30:13 AM
Out of the mouths of grannies...
She's never heard of Betty Friedan, I'd guess.
Some moms do it all, some just barely hold it together.
I opted out of the baby market, but I know it's extremely important - but, when can a woman just let go and live? [darcy0207]
2/16/2012 4:30:57 AM
Seems like people your mom's age are very set in their way of thinking. It's the way it was back then and they can't see any reason to change it because they seem to think it actually worked. For some of them I suppose, it did. [FRIDAY'S CHILD] 2/16/2012 5:53:28 AM
I understand what your mom is talking about. I suppose I'm closer to her age than to yours. Life was very much more 'conventional' then. Much less freedom. We can't go back. No one really wants to.

A small group of local Dems were discussing this or something like it a few years ago. I said when I was a kid I only knew/heard of one divorced woman. A man in the group who is 3 yrs older than I am, who went to same high school I did, knew who she was. ie the only divorced woman he knew.

There were no unmarried parents. My mother died when I was 14, and all through high school I was the only person without both parents.

OMG - hard to imagine now, isn't it? [woman in the moon]
2/16/2012 6:43:01 AM
I love the account of your conversation with your mom. Too bad dinner was 'flat'.

Love you.
 [woman in the moon]
2/16/2012 6:44:09 AM
I'm just smiling and shaking my head at your mom's comments---that's how that generation thought. So glad i'm not from that generation. [QueenSuzu] 2/16/2012 6:56:23 AM
I think in my mom's head all women are waitresses or secretaries. Seriously doesn't matter what I've ever done in my career, she still talks about it with her friends as if I'm a secretary. Most secretaries don't dissect human cadavers, but hey..I'm SPECIAL! LOL [Sunflour] 2/16/2012 7:01:19 AM
Oy. LOL. /hugs. Well, my mother agrees with her, oddly enough. Which just proves some point... not sure which one. Heh.

 [Jazmynroez]
2/16/2012 7:54:47 AM
Lol...your mom is funny! [Monkeybrains1202] 2/16/2012 10:23:15 AM
And I know one 90 year old who would heartily agree with her!! They live in another world sometimes don't they ...... [MargUK] 2/16/2012 10:37:48 AM
My mom was a feminist, although she didn't view herself as one in that she worked throughout my entire childhood. My best friend's mom worked too and so we bonded because of that, because everyone else's mom was home. It was a different time, and we can never go back. [Happy Trails] 2/16/2012 10:40:15 AM
Awww...I think she was just trying to make conversation the only way she knows how...but I also know it's amazing some of the crap that comes out of my fathers mouth (he's only 72). Hasn't been out of FL since 1960, yet knows more about other states and cities I've lived in than I do. I TRY not to correct or contradict him but it's difficult.

How do you 'toast' pine nuts. I make something similar to your rice dish but use angel hair pasta and tiny amt of red bell pepper.  [RueSome]
2/16/2012 11:10:42 AM
ryn: the champagne and lobster guy also did the random acts as well as great back and foot rubs. Unfortunately he was a cheater.

I think it might be a better world if one partner stayed home with kids but that better world would have to include perfect spouses. [RueSome]
2/16/2012 11:21:42 AM
people the age of your mother and my aunt are very set in their thinking and there's not much that can be done to change them at this late stage in their lives. take care, [gray tabby] 2/16/2012 11:38:47 AM
I've heard that opinion from others as well. It's an old fashioned attitude but I guess our parents usually (but not always!) fall into the category "old fashioned". I agree with you about dating men with children they are responsible for. I don't even want to date a man with grandchildren that he is really close to. I'm not that big into kids and don't want them to become a part of my lifestyle. [Elan] 2/16/2012 3:27:50 PM
back then, also, a family of 4 could live on one salary. Try that now, unless the main breadwinner is a CEO of a large corporation or something.

I remember when I was in high school, my mom got a job. My Dad's reaction to that was " I don't care what you do, as long as dinner's on the table at 6" We all thought he was so enlightened to say that.

Ryn: I rented Trailer Park Boys from Netflix - don't remember what network ran it - but it is Canadian, if that helps. I have mixed feelings about recommending it - but like I said, I couldn't stop watching... [Only sujema]
2/16/2012 7:53:05 PM
RYN: Well, the fellow who changed his name to a third person plural subjective pronoun seems narcissistic AND mentally imbalanced.  [wordspinner] 2/16/2012 8:53:07 PM
Well, 81-year old mom grew up in a different universe, and, in fact, so did I. We tend to accept the mores of our brief moment on Earth.  [wordspinner] 2/16/2012 8:55:08 PM
I would love to know how your mother feels on some of our
social issues. Gay marriage , Pro life or choice.

Can you see your mom as US ambassador to China? [debbifrench]
2/17/2012 2:31:13 AM
So grateful we can work and be independent and not have to rely on a man to get where we want to be.I refuse to date any men who have children 21 and younger.Even at 18 there still bouncing between parents - really? Lola Falana [Lola Falana] 2/17/2012 8:17:07 AM
I have a very mixed reaction to your mom's comment, because I actually joined the Army with the thought that women weren't the best-suited for combat roles on the frontline, but if more women enlisted to do all the other jobs (nursing, administrative, support roles, etc.), more men would be available for combat duty.

The older I become, the more I realize my latent 'feminist' ideas; however, with that being said, I believe that a *HUGE* contributing factor to our society today is the lack of stability we grew up in when the neighborhood was looked over and cared for by all the mothers who didn't work.

It would be nice for 'gender roles' to be respected and appreciated without having to battle for equality (which in my book is somewhat synonymous with seeking a form validation).

We can be our own worst enemy (women, that is). We fail to recognize just how critical our role in the survival of a healthy species is. And while I would never jump on a band wagon that said a woman's role was of the 'barefoot and pregnant' garbage spouted by some, it would be nice to see women come together in support of ALL the roles a woman assumes.

 [JeniDancer]
2/17/2012 2:02:24 PM


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