Brainwashing

southernsunshine77 left a few notes on my entry about this unstoppable war that looks like happening sometime in the next month. She lives near Washington DC and her husband was in the Pentagon when it was attacked on 11 September 2001. He is now being sent to the Middle East as part of the US invasion force. I wrote in my entry of my anger at US military craft landing in Shannon Airport in Co. Clare, since Ireland as a neutral country should not be dragged into aiding a foreign power wage war in a conflict of which Ireland has no part. I believe Ireland is being forced to allow US forces refuel here by the American government threatening a withdrawal of investment here, which would be devastating.

Now southernsunshine77 is obviously going through a lot of emotions right now. She’s vulnerable, and like many Americans she seems to trust her government without much questioning. She apologised for the “inconvenience” of “my husband’s plane landing in your country for a few hours and getting some fuel is an inconvenience to you”. This position is, to say the least, misguided and possibly ignorant. She later went on to speak about the “plane that dared to land in your country”, which to me doesn’t show much understanding for what’s being disputed here. No matter what happens on the world stage, if Ireland is directly involved in events then it is neutral. That is the constitutional position and what’s happening in Shannon is a blatant affront to our neutrality. It has NOTHING to do with convenience; I think American planes could hang on and land in their own bases in the UK. It has NOTHING to do with “daring” to land here. Ireland is neutral and no foreign military craft, unless invited, should touch Irish soil nor enter Irish airspace.

America has a problem with the idea of neutrality. Americans all too often see things in black and white. George W Bush said “you’re either with us or against us” as he declared his “war on terrorism”. This very notion immediately does away with the whole possibility of neutrality, where a nation is neither with nor against another nation’s policies. America tramples over such an un-American concept, and that’s a shame. Because Europe has an ability to see things in grey, too. Europe can fully condemn, as we did, the events of September 11. European police forces and intelligence agencies have been extremely successful in pursuing, apprehending and jailing Al Qaeda terrorists without resorting to bombing foreign countries or conveniently throwing the Geneva Convention out the window of a plane to Guantanamo Bay. Most of Europe has a history of long, bloody wars and almost every European nation has been attacked by terrorists within recent memory. And yet during the 1990’s, the United Kingdom didn’t attack Iraq because the Irish Republican Army were English cities. No, the UK pursued and caught those responsible and through legislation, security and prudence managed to drag the IRA screaming and kicking to a peace accord. Americans don’t see such a thing as possible; more than likely a peace accord with Al Qaeda is impossible. But by hunting down the specific people responsible for attacking the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the US will succeed in an infinitely more just way. And the evidence of this was on out television screens this week; Osama Bin Laden’s third-in-command, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, was captured this week. Catching Osama Bin Laden, the man who actually runs the organisation that killed over 3000 Americans in one day, is not entirely out of sight.

But reading what southernsunshine77 had to say was worrying. It sounded like brainwashing. George W Bush has convinced a huge swathe of his people that a war in Iraq has something to do with September 11. He’s taking all that emotion, the loss and fear endured by countless numbers of Americans, and focusing it on an irrelevant two-bit dictator who’s a sworn enemy of Al Qaeda. Saddam Hussein has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. Saddam Hussein is more like former Chilean dictator General Augusto Pinochet; an evil man who terrorized his people, was propped up and armed by the US. Saddam Hussein was supported by Ronald Reagan’s administration, which included a George Bush Senior as Vice President. This same administration once sent a certain Donald Rumsfeld to Baghdad as an envoy.

America used Iraq in the same way it used Chile; a dictator is better than a communist, even though in Chile’s case a socialist government had been democratically-elected. This policy was also used when the US helped Islamic rebels fight Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980’s. Rebels led by one “Usama Bin Ladin”. With the end of the cold war, America no longer cared about keeping back communism. The flow of arms and training to Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan ceased. Pinochet became embarrassing but in 1990, he stood down. Saddam Hussein is the only one remaining, and he would be ignored too just like Pinochet.

Only Pinochet didn’t have any oil.

j

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March 5, 2003

At this point, I do not have the time or emotions to engage into another battle of words with someone here on FOD. I only took exception to the fact that you were angered by the planes landing in Ireland. Do you really think America didn’t ask before landing their planes there? It sounds to me as though your gov’t gave permission for this to happen. They could’ve easily said no like Turkey…

March 5, 2003

… did. However, the planes landed there, it is done and over with. My husband and those troops our now in the sands of the Middle East, so it does little good to argue or be angry about it. As for the brainwashing, I can’t let that go. That has nothing to do with what GW has ever said. It is my own belief and idea. I fear for my friends and family because of my own ideas. …

March 5, 2003

It just ticks me off that no matter what America does, no one else in the world is ever happy. We help out a country, we get pounced. We leave things alone and something bad happens, everyone looks to America asking why they didn’t stop it and then have the gall to ask for our help then. I didn’t read the whole entry in depth, I just skimmed it. But I think it is best I leave it at this.

March 5, 2003

… You obviously have your opinion, and I have mine. We come from two different countries, two different backgrounds, and two different points of view. NO amount of words will change either of our ideas. So, lets just leave it at that, okay.

March 5, 2003

Big hairy cock. Obviously you know I agree with every word you’ve just written…

March 5, 2003

Also… for anyone else who may read… I’ve noticed a whole lot, that people from the US (cue broad generalisation) have difficulty keeping perspective on things. All too often, they let their emotion rule out, this being an obvious case. There is nothing but fact in JayeL’s assessment. If he was asked, i’m sure he could verify all of it. It’s a shame that so many people like him…

March 5, 2003

…often get accused of anti americanism, or of being ungrateful etc. It’s all fact. It’s all true. He’s just pointing it out.

why oh why am i going to do this i have no idea! i understand why southersunshine77 feels that way, and i think you would to if you were in her shoes and your significant other had to leave you for god knows how long to god knows where. all she cares about is her husband going and coming back in one piece, and im sure she doesent care if they have to land in ireland as long as he gets where…

hes going in one piece. if she doesnt feel like this (i dont know her i dont know) but i have many friends who have had thier husbands deployed and i know for a fact that they feel like that. they dont want a war, they just want their husbands back home. and a comment to embryos note, i know you know what you are talking about, but often times you do make broad generalizations about the….

american population. not everyone in this country supports what he is doing, or what he wants to do. however, like i said before, there is little that the american people can be done once a politican is in office. yes we can protest and what not but lets be honest, hell do whatever he wants to do. he cares little about what his nation cares about, hes only worried about himself.

I completely agree.

March 6, 2003

I agree with tete too. I love reading your entries, they enlighten me and give me a perspective I am not usually exposed to. . . but sometimes it does seem like you generalize the american population. Just like I have no idea what the people in Iraq are thinking right now, you don’t know what all americans think. I know a lot of people who are concerned about this war and don’t want it to

March 6, 2003

happen, but as tete said. . . we can protest and rally all we want, we can petition, we can write letters to the editor, we can cry and scream and shout but most people who do all this still think a war is inevitable–cause we aren’t in control. (that doesn’t mean I don’t think we should protest and rally–its still worth the effort) I do think you had a good point about GW making arguements for

March 6, 2003

war that appeal to the people’s emotions–especially having to do with September 11. But just so you know. . . most people I know are NOT for the war

I watched a documentary about Henry Kissinger tonight. When is the US going to learn from the past? Vietnam, Cambodia, East Timor, Chile, Iraq. Herr Bush is blatantly ignoring the international community and, I believe, the majority of the American people in his quest for revenge and oil. Another in a long line of horrific decisions. viewaskew

The so-called president didn’t look so well at his so-called press conference last week. He used to seem idiotic but likable. Now he seems idiotic and evil. I pray that the recent poll in which a majority of Americans said they’d vote for a generic Democrat instead of Bush holds true for next year’s election. And that we last that long. viewaskew