my very first Pinterest fight!

On Tuesday,  my home state of NC passed Amendment One. The constitutional amendment banning gay marriage (already illegal in NC), as well as banning civil unions,  and thanks to vague language, opening the doors to ending all kinds of protections to anyone not in a state-sanctioned, opposite gender marriage. Like protection against domestic violence for unmarried people, loss of health coverage for children of unmarried couples, the rights of an unmarried partner (gay OR straight) to make emergency medical and financial decisions, etc etc etc. Then in a stunning whiplash-inducing announcement, the President declared he is a supporter of gay marriage. Finally. So of course I pinned crazily on Pinterest! 

And someone seemed to take one of my pins to mean I was against Obama’s declaration, and for Amendment One. Ye gads — that had to be corrected. Quickly. 

Which sent me headlong into Pinterest Knock-Down, Drag-Out BrawlWorld. 

I really hate to argue. I really really REALLY hate confrontations. And I’m astonishingly bad at confrontations and arguments. I’m sorry to say that my first instinct when faced with disagreement is to run far far away and hide until it all blows over. So I generally avoid unpleasant stuff like politics and religion and slapping down great big signs telling the whole world exactly how the hell I feel about things. 

Until now, apparently. This is how I feel about things. 

AAGGHH. I wrote a whole bunch of stuff at the end, but it vanished. Damnation. Oh, well, The gist was, what do YOU think? 

(I was about to tell my new nemesis that I’m done, no more debate, because I really doubt I’m changing her mind and she’s certainly not changing mine… then I realized I’m actually… enjoying it. It’s making me consider exactly why I think what I think, beyond "this is how I feel so it has to be right!!!" How bizarre.)

****and for some reason it’s cut off my very last note and will NOT let me add it so I will add it way up here instead:****

There is an excellent article here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliyahu-federman/gay-marriage-polygamy-incest_b_1261374.html  that addresses the whole gay-marriage-leads-to-incest-polygamy-apocalypse etc argument much better than I am able to address it. 

Hahahaha!!!

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Sabomnim Pamela Scott-Czerwin
Not in North Carolina or the other 29 states that have banned same sex marriage.

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Beth B
I am ashamed to live in nc now, but not surprised.

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Sabomnim Pamela Scott-Czerwin
Ashamed why? Because they believe marriage is between a man and a woman? Wow, how sad when we are actually ashamed of being heterosexual. Let me ask you a question, when you or any of your friends get pregnant, how many of you hope for a girl or a boy etc. and how many of you hope and pray your child will be gay? I doubt any of you do!

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Beth B
Ashamed because we have proven yet again that we are a backwards repressive state who thinks the entire world should follow its own view of christian evangelical "morality". Which now includes straight people who are "living in sin", as this amendment can be used to cut aid to anyone who has children without being married. More enforced morality! Why on earth would I be ashamed of being heterosexual? And I don’t think anyone should be ashamed of being homosexual either, contrary to a whole lot of christian’s beliefs. A person’s sexual orientation is nobody else’s business, and certainly not the business of the government. I would hope and pray that my child is happy and secure and surrounded by people who love him/her. That has absolutely nothing to do with sexual orientation. And just for the record, I’m a straight woman who has been married for 21 years. To a man. Who also is a firm believer in equal rights for all of us.

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Sabomnim Pamela Scott-Czerwin
If you support gay marriage then do you also support polygamy or incest? See how quickly we can slip down a slippery slop. It is not the "Christian" religion that defines marriage as between a man and a woman, it is "every" religion. I didn’t ask you if you wanted your child to be happy or if you would accept him no matter what, I asked if you would wish for a gay child in the womb? You didn’t answer my question. I don’t think that adjusting our morality when it comes to marriage means we have evolved. You know, there used to be a line in the sand that said, this was right and this was wrong. Now, the line is, if you think someone has hurt you or if you feel like it, then even though it was once wrong, now, well, not so much. So if stealing was once bad, but now, if you steal from someone you think has done you wrong, it is some how now ok? That is the road this country is on, and that is not moving forward, that is moving backwards.

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Sabomnim Pamela Scott-Czerwin
And before you even go there, the only people who endorsed slavery were the democrats who resisted the idea of freedom for all people! Marriage is not slavery. And mind you, slavery still exists in certain parts of the world, but no one says anything about that, nor do they say anything about the fact that slavery was eradicated in the United States far sooner than any where else in the world, I guess we are not so terrible here after all.

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Beth B
You know, you are totally entitled to whatever you wish to believe, as am I, as is everyone else in this word. And I believe that we all have equal rights, regardless of our sexual orientation. There’s no slippery slope — homosexuality is nothing whatsoever to do with incest or polygamy or beastality or whatever, and all that is, is fearmongering by the Morality Police. Not too sure what slavery has to do with the homosexuality argument, although until the late 60s it was illegal for blacks and whites to marry in Virginia. That’s civil rights. Gay rights is also civil rights. The democrats and republican parties have both taken huge belief shifts since the 1860s, so that’s nothing to do with anything either. What does matter is what’s going on right now, and the attempted erosion of freedoms in many areas. Gay marriage is in no way threatening straight marriage (straight people have massacred marriage plenty all on their own).

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Beth B
I actually wouldn’t specifically wish for my child to be gay, but it’s because I really don’t think it would occur to me. And when it did, I wouldn’t wish for that in this society because it would mean setting the poor child up for a lifetime of being judged and condemned and having everyone else’s morals shoved down their throats. It is not an easy life, thanks to the moralistic hypocrites that want to tell everyone around them how their lives should be lived.

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Sabomnim Pamela Scott-Czerwin
I am talking about marriage between humans who "love" each other. If gay means a man loving another man then what is wrong with a man "loving and wanting to marry" two women, or three? Or what is wrong with a man loving a woman and wanting to marry her, even if she is his sister or daughter? Again, you have dodged my question on whether or not you would wish for a gay child. I am not asking you whether or not you would care about him, respect him or if society would accept him, all I asked was if you wished that one day, when he was all grown up, you hoped he would fall in love with another man? The Republicans and democrats did not switch. It was the Republicans who abolished slavery in the 1860’s and the Republicans who helped pass Civil Rights in the 1960’s. A larger majority of Republicans in both houses of congress voted for civil rights where as Democrats such as Robert Byrd, desperately tried to filibuster such efforts.

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Beth B
I’m also talking about marriage between humans who love each other, minus the quotation marks around love. And again, two consenting adults of the same gender receiving the same rights as two consenting adults of opposite gender is not opening the doors to incest and bestiality and polygamy (incidentally, polygamy was considered perfectly fine and common in biblical times). That argument is diverting attention from the actual case. As for your question about wishing for a gay child- it’s a little hard to answer as it makes no sense. You can wish for a boy or wish for a girl because those are the two genders that exist. Being gay doesn’t make a person magically become a third gender. There are only two genders. I wouldn’t wish for my son to be gay any more than I would wish for my daughter to be attracted to men when she grows up – it makes no sense to wish for that, unless of course you are not going to accept a child’s sexual orientation unless it’s the one you approve of.
 

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