God, the absentee landlord
I left the following note in response to an entry posted by Ryan Wednesday
I think your cop out answer is in itself a cop out. According to the scripture, God is supposed to be all knowing, all powerful and all good. That’s the problem right there, if there is such thing as an almighty being that is both all powerful and all good, then why does evil exist? It’s a catch 22 that is impossible to answer without contradicting scripture.
If God is all powerful and doesn’t stop evil, we can’t consider him to be all good. That basically means He’s letting the house fall apart like and is no better than an absentee landlord. Or God is all good but can’t stop evil, which would mean he isn’t all powerful. An all good God with the power to stop evil wouldn’t hesitate to do so… you can’t argue against that. So which is He, all good or all powerful? You can’t have both in a world where evil exists…
Later, [Peter_24601]
This note stems from a stance I like to take whenever I talk religion with people and debate the existence of an almighty being. This is what I call the ‘absentee landlord’ theory. It works more often than I’d like to admit. It’s a hard one to topple. When you read the scriptures, and it doesn’t matter which one of the zillions out there you read, there are examples of God (whomever that might be) stepping out of their place and doing something to right a wrong. People believe in the existence of a higher being, but if these beings exist they haven’t stuck their heads out and have been hermits for thousands of years, if not longer.
The best example would be Zeus. The God of Gods. The kind of guy who would shot a ligtning bolt at your ass if you stepped out of line anytime anywhere. He was also the Bill Clinton of supreme beings, using his power to get a bit on the side whenever possible, and in my forms of species. Not don’t get me wrong, Zeus is one cool dude. I loved reading his stories when I was attending religious studies courses, but know that he doesn’t exist. Zeus was the kind of being who cared too much to sit on his hands and do nothing. I tell people that if Zeus existed, a lot of pedophile preists would have been struck by lightning and smitten off this planet. He wouldn’t tolerate something like that, and would care too much for the children to sit back and let people get away with it. The Gods in the Greek tales are cool, but they don’t exist which accurately explains why they haven’t been hands on these days.
But Zeus isn’t not the only entity that wears the ‘absentee landlord’ label. The Christian God is just as guilty and I have a wonderful example I use often that works. When the hebrews suffered from slavery, God sent Moses and helped him perform miracles to save them. Now that’s a cool God… someone who sees injustice and does something about it. Zeus would be proud. When talking religion, I point out to the slavery of the Africans by the Europeans and Americans, which compared to the slavery of the hebrew was a lot worse and on a grander scale. God was willing to part the seas for the hebrews to save them, but refused to lift a finger to aid the Afrians slaves who were in just as much if not more peril. Rather than accuse an almight being of being spiteful and negilgent, I prefer to work on the assumption that the tale of the freed hebrews is just that… a tale. A tall one at that.
The same goes for the quote I made above… evil cannot exist in a world that has a God that is both all good and all powerful. It’s a case of those trying to worship being greedy. You can have one or the other, but you can’t have both. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but that’s how I feel regarding the alledged existence of an almighty father figure in the sky. How can someone worship the existence of a being that is quoted to have been hands on in the distant past, but is anything but in at least the last thousand years? And still many people still pay the rent, hoping one day the landlord will come back and repair that window that never opens or rescrew in that door handle that squeeks. I guess a good quote to use at this time would be from a classic Janet Jackson song: What have you done for me lately?
The answer: not much.
Peter
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We cause evil. We have free will. God does not have to stamp out evil to be all powerful. Do you want us to be puppets to prove there is a God? There are probably a million arguments to prove or disprove that God exists. Generally I don’t respond to them. I believe God exists. I have faith. I respect that you do not believe. I believe it’s fruitless to argue the point.
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Due to this site being well … run by a moron for one, and for being unreliable, I’ve decided after 6+ long and rollercoasterish rides to close the chapter of my OD life. I’m keeping my diary open until the ‘thon is over, and then will be deleting it. I do have a question though, and I’m too lazy to email. Do we (bloggers) get any kind of donation for completely the blogathon itself? Or do our monies raised come strictly from our friends and family who choose to sponsor us? Please email me at agoldensoph@yahoo.com since you can’t note me back. http://www.alannablogs.blogspot.com is where I’ll be participating this weekend. Also, I’m doing the b shift, from 8 PM CST Saturday to the same time on Sunday evening. Hope to see you around. Best of luck to you!
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RYN: Cheers for the link I’ll check it out when I’ve got time. Noticed in your interests you’ve got Studio 60, that starts in the UK this week on a channel I can pick up, so I’ll be giving that a go!
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What if ‘God’ is the supreme creator of everything, absolutely everything and is thus simultaneously all good and all evil? I tend to concur more or less with Paula but I tend to keep my faith to myself, I’m not a prothelizing (Or however you spell it) kinda Christian, it’s a private and personal thing. Sometimes I tend to think if there is a God, hopefully I did alright in the way Ilead my life and if there isn’t a God then I won’t ever know. All that aside though, I do really like your analogy.
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Although when I say lead my life, I think even if I wasn’t a Christian I’d still tend to live my life along the general lines of treating people how I’d want to be treated.
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As soon as my internet/cable gets working and I’m not mooching a wireless signal at my new place, I will respond to this.
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Paula touched on most of what I would say. God did not create evil… man did. We have free will, as Paula said. If God were to eliminate evil and only make us capable of good, what would be the point? We would be pawns, puppets manipulated to do exactly as God wants. That eliminates the concept of free will and being able to choose. Notliberal believes that God controls everything we do. This…
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…defeats the purpose of free will. That’s basically saying God chooses to save some of us, but some people will be damned no matter what. It is important to remember, as I said, that God did not create evil. It was man’s doing. As it stands, we must choose to seek God. You ask good questions and bring up good points. Like Paula said, I have faith, and it’s fine that you don’t believe in God.
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If you truly seek answers to these questions, an Orthodox priest would be able to answer them much better than I could. You don’t have to do that… just know that any answer I give you probably won’t be complete and I doubt it will completely satisfy you (and understandably so). I’ll try to respond to the other examples you brought up later. Hope that helps…
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Heya! I’ll be your monitor for Blogathon!
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Organized Religion scares me. It is wrong on many levels. I agree with your arguements… looks like we’re in the minority here looking at your notes! Oh well, I respect everyone. Heck, I went to a Christian High School, so I get it. I also have a boyfriend who was raised Muslim… religion definitely iterests me, I love learning about different beliefs, even if I don’t agree.
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